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In the Expedition to Lake Pahoe sketch, the woman inside the water basement «gives a V-sign to Sir John.» Is that considered an offensive gesture in Britain?

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REManic wrote:
In the Expedition to Lake Pahoe sketch, the woman inside the water basement «gives a V-sign to Sir John.» Is that considered an offensive gesture in Britain?

I think it is.
but I am italian, so, what do I know.
here we give the finger.
and a lot of other tender gestures.

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PuzzleaPuma wrote:
here we give the finger.


Well the Romans dis invent that.


As for the 'v' thing, I wouldn't know. I'm just a boorish American.

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i think it is a distinctly british thing...

i heard an explanation, but damn if i can't remember it :?

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...V for victory, V for piss off, V for many things...

At least she wasn't giving the sign for semprini.


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Essentially, the British version of "The Finger".

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PALM-BACK V SIGN
Gesture: The peace sign, but reversed so the palm faces the recipient
Location: Jolly 'Ole England

If an American was visiting England and saw someone give them the palm-back V sign, they'd probably mutter, "Damn hippies". Yet the Englishman wasn't offering a symbol of peace, but instead telling you, "up your bum!".

In the British Isles, the palm-back V sign has the same meaning as the finger, but with a cockney accent. It's use can be traced back to the 16th century, but it's hard to pin down. Whether it was first used as a variant of the cuckold's devil's horns, or as a variant of the more ancient middle finger, but with some extra fingers thrown in to make it that much more painful is unknown.

In 1941 Winston Churchill made what we now know as the 'V-for-Victory sign' famous. He made no distinction between the forward and palm-back V sign until the latter part of the war when someone probably pointed out he was telling the masses to, "piss off". As always, those wacky elites really had no idea what the peasants were cooking up. This general confusion was exploited by American antiwar protesters in the 60's who used the palm-back sign to secretly tell the police to f**k off without getting themselves a one-way ticket on the Kent State Express.


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So, it's not, "F*ck You, twice as much!"? Good to know.

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Legend has it that "V" sign (or "two fingers salute") dates from medieval times. During the hundred years war (1337 to 1453), British archers were responsible for crushing defeats of the French, notably at Agincourt, Crécy and Poitiers. The myth claims that the French cut off two fingers on the right hand of captured archers and that the gesture was a sign of defiance by those who were not mutilated.

In practice this isn't true, as the earliest record of the two-fingers salute is in a medieval book dating from 1330. It shows a disembodied glove making the sign.

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The origin of this gesture is speculative, but is quite possibly thousands of years old. It is identified as the digitus impudicus ("impudent finger") in Ancient Roman writings[1] and reference is made to using the finger in the Ancient Greek comedy The Clouds by Aristophanes. It was defined there as a gesture intended to insult another. The widespread usage of the finger in many cultures is likely due to the geographical influence of the Roman Empire and Greco-Roman civilization. Another possible origin of this gesture can be found in the first-century Mediterranean world, where extending the digitus impudicus was one of many methods used to divert the ever present threat of the evil eye.[2]

There is a popular story about English bowmen waving fingers at the French army during the Hundred Years' War, that is completely apocryphal.[3]

Another possible origin is the phallic imagery of the raised middle finger (the middle finger being the longest finger on the human hand), similar to the Italian version of the bent elbow insult. Also, there is a variation of the finger where it can be done by performing The Fangul, by sticking out the finger during the throwing motion.

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So is the palm facing the recipient?

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